On Tuesday MSNBC host Hallie Jackson confronted Kris Kobach, who has strongly opposed immigration, after he repeated multiple falsehoods about Dreamers.
Jackson interviewed the Kansas secretary of state prior to Attorney General Jeff Sessions making the announcement that Donald Trump decided to end President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
Kobach insisted that President Obama had illegally implemented the DACA policy.
“A president cannot do this unilaterally,” Kobach opined. “You have to have an act of Congress.”
Jackson fired back and brought up the travel ban, asking Kobach what was the difference between the two.
“Why can you have [an anti-Muslim] travel ban unilaterally?” Jackson interrupted.
“There’s already a statute that says the president can withhold admission to any category of people,” Kobach insisted.
“But if you are relying on Congress,” Jackson noted. “And you say there has to be a legislative fix [for DACA], why do you oppose that legislative fix? You’ve come out and said you’re against Congress doing something about it. What’s your problem with it?”
Kobach continued his attack on Dreamers, saying that he would oppose giving them a legal status because they are taking jobs from Americans.
“Why in the world would we legalize an additional 1.7 million people?” he asked.
“There are estimates that the U.S. could lose some $400 billion,” Jackson shot back. “You know it’s going to affect Kansas… So, why not keep these people?”
“Ninty-one percent of these Dreamers pay taxes,” the MSNBC host added. “They’re not relying on the American taxpayer, they’re relying on themselves as well.”
“They are net takers,” Kobach charged. “We all pay some taxes when we buy a pack of gum at the store.”
“That’s not what we’re talking about,” Jackson replied.
Watch the confrontation below: